A man charged with sexually and physically abusing his daughter avoided trial two years ago because police refused to spend $40,000 to translate and transcribe witness statements into English, a new report says.
When the family learned that the charges had been stayed, they asked if someone in the justice system had been bribed, Turpel-Lafond said. �This was a common occurrence in their former homeland and a telling commentary on their own experiences with the Canadian justice system.�
The judge could prohibit the father from contacting his wife and children, but not summon the police to get the damned translations done? WTF is wrong???
I can't read the link, it keeps crashing. It's the courts (as the crown attorney) who get translations etc.
This is pretty routine these days in a lot of courts in the GTA and the lawyers who run our legal system continue to get away with this and similar stuff. No accountability. But you can blame the cops, the media do.
Justice Minister Shirley Bond said she was �devastated� by the way the file was handled. Police are required to provide translation and transcription services, and there is no excuse for the decision to let it slide in this case, she said.
A man charged with sexually and physically abusing his daughter avoided trial two years ago because police refused to spend $40,000 to translate and transcribe witness statements into English, a new report says.
A judge stayed all 13 charges against the man in 2010, ruling that police failure to translate key evidence had led to unnecessary court delays and denied the immigrant father of seven his right to a fair and timely trial.
B.C.�s Representative for Children and Youth Mary Ellen Turpel-Lafond, who issued a report on the case Thursday, criticized Crown prosecutors and police for denying the girl and her family access to justice.
�Allowing budgetary considerations to outweigh the plight of the vulnerable children involved in this case is shocking, unacceptable and should never happen again,� she said.
Turpel-Lafond said senior police and Crown managers should have intervened to prevent the case from going off the rails. But despite repeated delays and the vulnerability of the alleged victim, nobody did anything, she said.
�What message does this outcome give to a vulnerable youth who disclosed repeated physical and sexual abuse?� Turpel-Lafond asked. �Undeniably, it tells her that her allegations had insufficient priority for police and the Crown to act decisively to deliver the documents needed for a timely court trial. It tells her that she didn�t matter enough.�
Justice Minister Shirley Bond said she was �devastated� by the way the file was handled. Police are required to provide translation and transcription services, and there is no excuse for the decision to let it slide in this case, she said.
Bond promised to act on all of Turpel-Lafond�s recommendations, including establishing a policy that requires senior Crown lawyers to make child abuse cases a priority. The representative also urged the Justice Ministry to ensure there is reliable access to translation services, and recommended the ministry produce an annual report on cases in which a child is the victim of violence � including those in which charges are stayed.
The girl disclosed the alleged abuse to a school counsellor in January 2008, the report says. The counsellor alerted police and, that same month, Crown approved 13 charges, including counts of sexual assault and incest. The trial was set for June, but Crown asked for an adjournment because they had yet to receive translations of two videotaped statements. Senior police managers refused to cover the cost, the report says.
The trial was reset for March 2009, then January 2010. One month before trial, Crown sought another adjournment, because the transcripts still were not ready. The judge refused and stayed the charges.
The judge did prohibit the father from contacting his wife and children.
When the family learned that the charges had been stayed, they asked if someone in the justice system had been bribed, Turpel-Lafond said. �This was a common occurrence in their former homeland and a telling commentary on their own experiences with the Canadian justice system.�
Dunno EB, when you read this, what would YOU think? You can take this personally all you want. I blame the ones who did NOT provide the services needed. I don't give a flying fuck WHO that is.
So sorry I personally offended you. I do not care. This child needs and deserves justice. Fucking allow it.
The RCMP says it regrets a decision that eventually led a judge to stay charges against a father for allegedly sexually and physically abusing his daughter and wife.
RCMP Supt. Paul Richards says a now-retired commander decided against spending $40,000 to translate the statements because of the cost.
I'm not offended Brenda. When the courts fuck-up the cops get blamed, it's just one of those things. I managed to read the article with google's help.
I'm not sure how it works in BC but I can't see it being much different. The police will gather the evidence and in many trials, not all that evidence will be used as the crown and defence will usually agree to what evidence will be accepted by the defence, thereby cutting down the trial times.
Defence are well aware of budget constraints and will often set adjournments that will drag things out or ask for once piece of evidence at one date, then 'discover' another vital bit of disclosure for another date so the responsibility for the delay is the crowns.
The whole translation thing is ripe with abuse. Cases are regulary tossed if the translator has a different accent than the accused and for other, very minor issues that are dramatically revealed as a fatal slip by the crown or police.
If you ever have a spare day or two, go to your local criminal or superior court and watch. It's amazing the BS that goes on. Remember, it's not a justice system but a legal system.
This stuff and worse happens daily and the courts, crowns and defence seem to be totally unaccountable.
She did not even GET her day in court, because, according to the judge AND the Justice Minister, the police refused to pay for the translation, and the Crown did not bother to get it done either.
I'm sorry, but that disgusts me. There is no way you can tell me the police is completely innocent here and just did their jobs, when it is pretty obvious they DID NOT. How can they interrogate and gather evidence when they have no clue what what is? Really.
"Brenda" said She did not even GET her day in court, because, according to the judge AND the Justice Minister, the police refused to pay for the translation, and the Crown did not bother to get it done either.
I'm sorry, but that disgusts me. There is no way you can tell me the police is completely innocent here and just did their jobs, when it is pretty obvious they DID NOT. How can they interrogate and gather evidence when they have no clue what what is? Really.
Well, I'm not going on a media report when many times the reporters have nil clue about what really happened. I'm sure somebody will be wearing this but I have learned to distrust media accounts of 'wrong doing'.
You can be disgusted away but the reality is that these kind of things happen daily in the courts and the police don't control the courts or the crowns.
Would this change your mind about who is at fault here?
The RCMP said the translation issue caused financial and time problems, but in hindsight, the Mounties should have ensured the evidence made it to court.
"It's a very regrettable decision and obviously one that in retrospect that we wish simply that we went ahead and made that happen," said RCMP Supt. Paul Richards of from RCMP E Division Criminal Operations.
Give up Brenda. Brock knows, you don't, Attorney General Shirley Bond doesn't know, the RCMP themselves don't know. Only Brock knows. He's a cop you know.
This is pretty sad. Not a good impression.
I feel for them... This is disgusting.
This is pretty routine these days in a lot of courts in the GTA and the lawyers who run our legal system continue to get away with this and similar stuff. No accountability. But you can blame the cops, the media do.
A judge stayed all 13 charges against the man in 2010, ruling that police failure to translate key evidence had led to unnecessary court delays and denied the immigrant father of seven his right to a fair and timely trial.
B.C.�s Representative for Children and Youth Mary Ellen Turpel-Lafond, who issued a report on the case Thursday, criticized Crown prosecutors and police for denying the girl and her family access to justice.
�Allowing budgetary considerations to outweigh the plight of the vulnerable children involved in this case is shocking, unacceptable and should never happen again,� she said.
Turpel-Lafond said senior police and Crown managers should have intervened to prevent the case from going off the rails. But despite repeated delays and the vulnerability of the alleged victim, nobody did anything, she said.
�What message does this outcome give to a vulnerable youth who disclosed repeated physical and sexual abuse?� Turpel-Lafond asked. �Undeniably, it tells her that her allegations had insufficient priority for police and the Crown to act decisively to deliver the documents needed for a timely court trial. It tells her that she didn�t matter enough.�
Justice Minister Shirley Bond said she was �devastated� by the way the file was handled. Police are required to provide translation and transcription services, and there is no excuse for the decision to let it slide in this case, she said.
Bond promised to act on all of Turpel-Lafond�s recommendations, including establishing a policy that requires senior Crown lawyers to make child abuse cases a priority. The representative also urged the Justice Ministry to ensure there is reliable access to translation services, and recommended the ministry produce an annual report on cases in which a child is the victim of violence � including those in which charges are stayed.
The girl disclosed the alleged abuse to a school counsellor in January 2008, the report says. The counsellor alerted police and, that same month, Crown approved 13 charges, including counts of sexual assault and incest. The trial was set for June, but Crown asked for an adjournment because they had yet to receive translations of two videotaped statements. Senior police managers refused to cover the cost, the report says.
The trial was reset for March 2009, then January 2010. One month before trial, Crown sought another adjournment, because the transcripts still were not ready. The judge refused and stayed the charges.
The judge did prohibit the father from contacting his wife and children.
When the family learned that the charges had been stayed, they asked if someone in the justice system had been bribed, Turpel-Lafond said. �This was a common occurrence in their former homeland and a telling commentary on their own experiences with the Canadian justice system.�
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Dunno EB, when you read this, what would YOU think?
You can take this personally all you want. I blame the ones who did NOT provide the services needed. I don't give a flying fuck WHO that is.
So sorry I personally offended you. I do not care. This child needs and deserves justice. Fucking allow it.
RCMP Supt. Paul Richards says a now-retired commander decided against spending $40,000 to translate the statements because of the cost.
Just another bad apple.
"sorry, not in my job description"
"Nah, not in mine either"
"Oh well, it's only an immigrant, who cares."
I'm not sure how it works in BC but I can't see it being much different. The police will gather the evidence and in many trials, not all that evidence will be used as the crown and defence will usually agree to what evidence will be accepted by the defence, thereby cutting down the trial times.
Defence are well aware of budget constraints and will often set adjournments that will drag things out or ask for once piece of evidence at one date, then 'discover' another vital bit of disclosure for another date so the responsibility for the delay is the crowns.
The whole translation thing is ripe with abuse. Cases are regulary tossed if the translator has a different accent than the accused and for other, very minor issues that are dramatically revealed as a fatal slip by the crown or police.
If you ever have a spare day or two, go to your local criminal or superior court and watch. It's amazing the BS that goes on. Remember, it's not a justice system but a legal system.
This stuff and worse happens daily and the courts, crowns and defence seem to be totally unaccountable.
I'm sorry, but that disgusts me. There is no way you can tell me the police is completely innocent here and just did their jobs, when it is pretty obvious they DID NOT.
How can they interrogate and gather evidence when they have no clue what what is? Really.
She did not even GET her day in court, because, according to the judge AND the Justice Minister, the police refused to pay for the translation, and the Crown did not bother to get it done either.
I'm sorry, but that disgusts me. There is no way you can tell me the police is completely innocent here and just did their jobs, when it is pretty obvious they DID NOT.
How can they interrogate and gather evidence when they have no clue what what is? Really.
Well, I'm not going on a media report when many times the reporters have nil clue about what really happened. I'm sure somebody will be wearing this but I have learned to distrust media accounts of 'wrong doing'.
You can be disgusted away but the reality is that these kind of things happen daily in the courts and the police don't control the courts or the crowns.
"It's a very regrettable decision and obviously one that in retrospect that we wish simply that we went ahead and made that happen," said RCMP Supt. Paul Richards of from RCMP E Division Criminal Operations.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/03/29 ... 89761.html
Oh, wait, that too, is in the media. Sure, not believable. Denial much?
"The Police can do no wrong" does not work very well anymore in BC... One fuck up after another. And "sorry" will do, right?