 Parents despised slain girls for hurting 'honour,' jury hearsLaw & Order | 206947 hits | Oct 20 5:46 pm | Posted by: Hyack  Crown prosecutors began framing the deaths of three teenage girls and a relative as an "honour killing" in an Ontario courtroom on Thursday, more than two years after the victims were found submerged in the Rideau Canal near Kingston, Ont.Commentsview comments in forum You need to be a member of CKA and be logged into the site, to comment on news. |
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I don't think so, Gunny. This is crazy and it's also religion, but family honour? Family honour is sticking up for your family, not killing them. Killing them is religion's influence. It's religious disgrace, fear of shunning, bred by indoctrination. An honour killing is a killing to preserve a family's honour WITHIN THEIR RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY.
Guy ain't in his religious community here.
I don't disagree that religion plays a role, but this was a cultural practice, not a religious one even if religion offered some fuel to the cultural fire.
No different in my mind to some of the crazy things crazy Christians do in the name of religion. If Some whacked out Christian idiot killed his daughter in the name of religion for wearing revealing clothing, I doubt there would be the focus on the religion, it would be on the individual who does not represent the religion.
Societal norms are not all religious, and there is some diversity within Muslim circles about what family honor means. Also, what Shep said about Latin America. I think tying this to religion is a little unreasonable.
The better criticism is against destruction of the self to serve the wishes of the collective (in this case, the family). Or, if you're too left-wing for that, against treating an personified entity better than real, flesh-and-blood people (as in corporatism).
It's OK to say that others do this too--I'm sure they do. But rampant misogyny and violence against women and girls is a specific problem for Islam now.
I think this is a problme for Muslims in particular. Yes there are plenty of CHristian wignuts out there, but the idea that the head of the household has power of life and death over females in the family has not been held for a few geneations now. Honour killings of young women and girls by Muslims, on the other hand, is common world wide, and certainly not unhard of in Canada.
It's OK to say that others do this too--I'm sure they do. But rampant misogyny and violence against women and girls is a specific problem for Islam now.
Agreed, as it was for the west up until a 100 years ago. I wouldn't say religion was the guiding light on how we treated our women. It certainly was a major influence, but there were many cultural trappings that played a more important role.
But I would also say that Christianity seems to be a saving grace for us here. It seems to have pushed us toward recognizing the worth of the individual. I don't know when this sort of honour killing was ever practised in the West. Women seen as chattel and beaten or killed, sure.
Anyway, I hope there's no cultural relativistic bullshit as this trial. If these guys did it (sounds like a slam dunk) it was first degree murder. 25 years before parole. And no bullshit that the wife is less guilty than the husband. And of course, a free flight back to their homeland after 25 years if they're not citizens.
Time MagazineAmong northern Arabian tribes, the practice predates Islam in the 7th century.
Islam doesn't sanction honor killings
The majority of crimes, however, do occur in Muslim communities, and some of the perpetrators seem to believe that killing for honor is their religious duty. Strict attitudes toward sexual behavior in Islam � sexual relations outside marriage are punishable by death in Saudi Arabia and Iran � don't discourage that mind-set.
I would be interested to hear statistics on how common honor killings are based on national origin. I expect technologically backward nations produce more of them than technologically developed nations. That Time article says there are no such statistics, though.
This particular family is originally Afghan, but:
Rosie DiManno of The Star":394jnmr6]The family emigrated to Montreal in 2007 after spending about a decade in Dubai, Pakistan and Australia.
Time Magazine (same article as before)":394jnmr6]the attitudes that facilitated it don't spring from the brain of a single deranged man � they are deeply rooted in an Iraqi community that insists on its right, its American right, to believe in the justifiability of practices like honor killings.
In Arizona[, the convicted father] became a heavy gambler, often borrowing money from friends. He rejected their suggestions that he go to a mosque.
Despite embracing aspects of American culture, the Malekis didn't allow their children the same latitude.
At her husband's advice, Seham tried to drum up support and raise more than $100,000 in cash for a lawyer. She met with the imam at al-Rasool Mohammed, a Shi'ite mosque in Peoria popular among the Iraqi immigrants, many of whom speak limited English. Seham attended the mosque a few times, but she stopped going when no money was forthcoming. She also petitioned the Iraqi Cultural Association, without success.
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On the lighter side, jury selection in the Montreal case has been eventful. "A comical moment ensued as Maranger told an elderly gentleman standing before him he was dismissed because of his hearing, to which the man responded, 'Beg your pardon?'" And, "'My husband can't cook. He'd starve,' said one woman."
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