[gonavy47]

We just CAN'T interfere with the poor bastard's human rights. I say the two dead kid's human rights outweigh his. Life in a facility, at least he's alive, which is more than I can say for the two children. Selfish prick deserves to rot in jail.

[BeaverFever]

Brenda Brenda:

There is a reasonable foreseeable outcome ANYTIME you get in a car you might get an accident. Doesn't make every driver a murderer...

To be clear, I have no respect for people driving when they have been drinking, whether they are drunk or not. But I do not consider them murderers until they actually intently killed someone.

It is not reasonable and foreseeable that a driver with a valid license will cause the accident and harm someone,due to preventable error. That is the whole point of the driver licensing system. Not even the same universe of probability.

[Brenda]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Brenda Brenda:

There is a reasonable foreseeable outcome ANYTIME you get in a car you might get an accident. Doesn't make every driver a murderer...

To be clear, I have no respect for people driving when they have been drinking, whether they are drunk or not. But I do not consider them murderers until they actually intently killed someone.

It is not reasonable and foreseeable that a driver with a valid license will cause the accident and harm someone,due to preventable error. That is the whole point of the driver licensing system. Not even the same universe of probability.

Drivers licenses and the exams (at least here in my neck of the woods) are a joke.

[Lemmy]

Brenda Brenda:

Drivers licenses and the exams (at least here in my neck of the woods) are a joke.

It's not just your neck of the woods. Drivers' licenses are too easy to get and WAY too easy to keep. Governments have become overly reliant on license fees and revenue from fines. Penalties for bad driving should be a deterrent to bad driving rather than an on-going source of government funding. It's my opinion that at least half the drivers on the road should be permanently barred from operating any sort of motor vehicle.

[Brenda]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Brenda Brenda:

Drivers licenses and the exams (at least here in my neck of the woods) are a joke.

It's not just your neck of the woods. Drivers' licenses are too easy to get and WAY too easy to keep. Governments have become overly reliant on license fees and revenue from fines. Penalties for bad driving should be a deterrent to bad driving rather than an on-going source of government funding. It's my opinion that at least half the drivers on the road should be permanently barred from operating any sort of motor vehicle.

I share your opinion. And I am in the sticks... If the people who drive here were to ever go to the big city, please beware, avoid them, hope you don't run into them (literally...) and get home alive...

[andyt]

You obviously haven't driven in the big city. Especially the ones that bought their licenses, but lots of others too. Hell, when I was young I should have been banned from driving. Never hurt anybody, but easily could have. Lots of young idiots on the road, well idiots of all ages.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

You obviously haven't driven in the big city.
Especially the ones that bought their licenses, but lots of others too. Hell, when I was young I should have been banned from driving. Never hurt anybody, but easily could have. Lots of young idiots on the road, well idiots of all ages.

Yep, I have. They're just as messed up as here. Difference is, there's hardly anyone on the roads here and they manage to fuck up as bad as in the city. Maybe I should be positive about it and call it "skills"?

[BeaverFever]

Brenda Brenda:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Brenda Brenda:

There is a reasonable foreseeable outcome ANYTIME you get in a car you might get an accident. Doesn't make every driver a murderer...

To be clear, I have no respect for people driving when they have been drinking, whether they are drunk or not. But I do not consider them murderers until they actually intently killed someone.

It is not reasonable and foreseeable that a driver with a valid license will cause the accident and harm someone,due to preventable error. That is the whole point of the driver licensing system. Not even the same universe of probability.

Drivers licenses and the exams (at least here in my neck of the woods) are a joke.

I take it you don't have graduated licesning out there? Anyway, it doesn't make sense that the government should consider "driving" as wreckless behaviour if it were ever to admit thats its own driver licensing system "is a joke".

[Brenda]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Brenda Brenda:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

It is not reasonable and foreseeable that a driver with a valid license will cause the accident and harm someone,due to preventable error. That is the whole point of the driver licensing system. Not even the same universe of probability.

Drivers licenses and the exams (at least here in my neck of the woods) are a joke.

I take it you don't have graduated licesning out there? Anyway, it doesn't make sense that the government should consider "driving" as wreckless behaviour if it were ever to admit thats its own driver licensing system "is a joke".

You mean "learners license" and "new driver" license with the restrictions that come with it? Yeah, we do.
I didn't have to tho, I just took the exam. After 20 years.

The exam was a joke. 3 blocks, 2 traffic lights, no faster than 50 (we didn't get out of town), and not even parallel parking. Which, btw, I am VERY good at.

Motorcycle was harder. I even got to go 90! In the f*cking pouring rain

[BeaverFever]

Sounds like the ridiculous drivers exam I took in Florida. One traffic light only.

But graduated licesning, like we have here in ON, means you go through 2 levels before becoming a full driver. First you get a new "Learner" (G1) licesnce after passing a written exam and then after 12 months you can apply for the road test to get G2.

Then you must have the G2 for at least 12 months, after which you can apply for a full (G) license if you pass a second road-test that includes expressway driving and parallel parking. G2 requires 0 blood alcohol at all times and has limits on the number of occupants under 19 that can be in the vehicle after midnight. If your G2 license expires before you get the full G license, you have to start all over as a new driver and apply for G1.

Also, seniors age 80+ must pass a road test every 2 years.

[martin14]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Brenda Brenda:

Drivers licenses and the exams (at least here in my neck of the woods) are a joke.

It's not just your neck of the woods. Drivers' licenses are too easy to get and WAY too easy to keep. Governments have become overly reliant on license fees and revenue from fines. Penalties for bad driving should be a deterrent to bad driving rather than an on-going source of government funding. It's my opinion that at least half the drivers on the road should be permanently barred from operating any sort of motor vehicle.

All I can say is... don't ever drive in Italy.

In your world, the streets would be.. empty.

[Brenda]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Sounds like the ridiculous drivers exam I took in Florida. One traffic light only.

But graduated licesning, like we have here in ON, means you go through 2 levels before becoming a full driver. First you get a new "Learner" (G1) licesnce after passing a written exam and then after 12 months you can apply for the road test to get G2.

Then you must have the G2 for at least 12 months, after which you can apply for a full (G) license if you pass a second road-test that includes expressway driving and parallel parking. G2 requires 0 blood alcohol at all times and has limits on the number of occupants under 19 that can be in the vehicle after midnight. If your G2 license expires before you get the full G license, you have to start all over as a new driver and apply for G1.

Also, seniors age 80+ must pass a road test every 2 years.

I think it is the same here. If not, it is similar. I will know in 2 years when my daughter can legally drive... In my car. With me in the passenger seat.

Express way? What's that? Max highway speed is 60 here in the mountains

(ok, ok, 10 minutes the other way and it is 90 )

[Lemmy]

martin14 martin14:

All I can say is... don't ever drive in Italy.

In your world, the streets would be.. empty.

That'd be a good thing, wouldn't it?