[Curtman]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I dare you to find the post where I claimed marijuana was addictive?

It is addictive. People get hooked on all sorts of things. It may not be a physical dependence like opiates, but it's a tough habit to break after you've been smoking it daily for a while. If you don't believe me, attend a Narcotics Anonymous meeting when they have an "open" night, where you don't have to be an addict to sit in. You'll hear stories from all sorts of people about how their marijuana habit destroyed their family.

[Curtman]

QBC QBC:

Winterpeg in July.......

You're thinking of Calgary.

Winnipeg in July:

[2Cdo]

Curtman Curtman:

QBC QBC:

Winterpeg in July.......

You're thinking of Calgary.

Winnipeg in July:

Just missing a few billion mosquitos!

[Curtman]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Just missing a few billion mosquitos!

The mosquitos went to Edmonton this year. It was wonderful without them.

[2Cdo]

Curtman Curtman:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Just missing a few billion mosquitos!

The mosquitos went to Edmonton this year. It was wonderful without them.

I spent 10 years in the 'Peg and honestly can't remember a single year without them.
Some years it was a little less, they only numbered in the millions.

[bootlegga]

Benn Benn:

In yer face Regina and Edmonton! We totally suck more than you!

Sadly, Edmonton is well into the mid-40s in homicides this year...

[Freakinoldguy]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

WTF does my age have to do with it?

I dare you to find the post where I claimed marijuana was addictive? The only thing in this thread that seems to be addictive is personal stupidity, but in fairness I'll chalk that up to your pain medication..............of choice.

After your rant it's quite apparent you're part of the problem, not part of the solution and had you read my previous posts on the subject before trying to insult my age and use other posts to discredit my opinion you'd have noticed that I could care less if you smoke dope legally, illegally, at home, or at work, with friends or alone, actually, it amounts to pretty much anywhere and for any reason.

What I have is a problem with the continuing unproven theory that all gang activity would dissapear if we legalized marijuana and yes I did use the Thailand analogy because I, like alot of people are tired of the bullshit drugs and gangs are bringing into our communities and they still have a much harsher judicial system than the mollycoddling group of social engineers running ours.

If you want to equate my use of the Thai judicial system to homosexual proclivity and misuse of capital punishment then I'd suggest you might want to revisit your sexual orientation or maybe better yet google stereotyping cause you've obviously watched to many Anne Heche movies. And for posterities sake, they don't shoot pot smokers anymore, haven't for years, although I'm beginning to think that in some cases their change in policy may have been a mistake.

Anybody who prefers the Thailand's criminal system to Canada's needs their head examined, that was my point. Sure they crack down on drugs, but child exploitation is rampant.

Point taken and for the record I don't prefer Thailands system to Canadas, but what I do prefer is alot tougher approach to gangs and violence in our communities and that was the point I was trying to get across.

[Freakinoldguy]

andyt andyt:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I could care less if you smoke dope legally, illegally, at home, or at work, with friends or alone, actually, it amounts to pretty much anywhere and for any reason.

What I have is a problem with the continuing unproven theory that all gang activity would dissapear if we legalized marijuana

So why not just say that you support legalization of pot? Instead, every time you bring up the red herring that supposedly somebody somewhere said all gang activity would disappear if we legalized it. You're just arguing with yourself here, since nobody has made that claim. Sure give you a chance to rant tho.

And what about those cops I quoted, who say regulating pot would reduce income to gangs and the violence that goes with it. They're know nothings talking out of their asses are they?

And you want to adopt the legal system of Thailand? Really?

You guys can't get over the fact that I said Thailand can you?

I didn't say I prefered it I said maybe if we had drug and crime policies like them we'd have alot less gang crimes. How you equate that to a preference of Thai law is beyond me.

As for legalizing marijuana, I could care less and I don't bring up the red herring about it reducing gangs, another member continually does, all I've done is to attempt to refute that point.

As for the cops talking about reducing crime by legalizing pot, if they believe it will that's their opinion and they're entitled to it but until they show me the hard facts I'll remain sceptical. It may reduce the number of gangs selling mariujauana but i'm pretty sure they'll transfer their operations to another illegal money making scheme that hurts the communities we live in so they won't dissapear.

When you think about it. One of the main reasons for the repeal of alcohol was the belief it would end organized crime and the problems it caused. So, for arguments sake, when they repealed the prohibition on alcohol why didn't organized crime dissapear?

I'll say it again, I have no problem with it becomming a legal substance that's regulated by the Government like alcohol and tabacco but I still don't believe it'll stop or even reduce organized crime.

[Freakinoldguy]

Curtman Curtman:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I dare you to find the post where I claimed marijuana was addictive?

It is addictive. People get hooked on all sorts of things. It may not be a physical dependence like opiates, but it's a tough habit to break after you've been smoking it daily for a while. If you don't believe me, attend a Narcotics Anonymous meeting when they have an "open" night, where you don't have to be an addict to sit in. You'll hear stories from all sorts of people about how their marijuana habit destroyed their family.

Thanks for the breath of fresh air in this conversation. You and I may disagree on why the impact of legalization but at least you're honest enough to tell it like you see it.

[Curtman]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I didn't say I prefered it I said maybe if we had drug and crime policies like them we'd have alot less gang crimes. How you equate that to a preference of Thai law is beyond me.

I don't know about that. My old house in the war zone, in the West End of Winnipeg's downtown had a lot of people from The Philippines in the area. Many of them mentioned to me how peaceful it was here. Having grown up in a suburb of Winnipeg, I thought they were nuts for thinking that.

$1:

Philippines

The law prescribes the death penalty for drug traffickers caught with at least 0.3 ounce of opium, morphine, heroin, cocaine, marijuana resin, or at least 17 ounces of marijuana. The Philippines has imposed a moratorium on the death penalty, but drug offenders are still punished harshly if caught – the minimum sentence is 12 years in prison for possession of.17 ounce of illegal drugs.

Philippines Dangerous Drugs Act - Lawphil.net

And it hasn't done them any good as far as getting rid of the violence from the drug trade.

[Freakinoldguy]

The Thais may be hard ass when it comes to drugs but they at least are making an attempt to stop the rampant drug use in their country.

Here's an interesting article that we should be watching the results of. The Thai's are basically rounding up all drug users and putting them into forced rehabilitation. It'd be interesting to see how well this approach works to stopping drug addiction and use.

Although here in Canada we can't even get our addicts into treatment voluntarily because there aren't enough beds and it "costs to much" so I can't see this approach working here.


http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/201 ... e_campaign

[1Peg]

andyt andyt:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Was it bucking the downward trend? Regina, Saskatoon and Edmonton seem to be following closely too.

A couple of years ago, Abbottsford was the murder capital of Canada. This year they haven't had a murder yet. The cops cracked down on gangs, the gangs probably shot their wad fighting each other, and things are quiet again. So they're at the head of the downward trend. So it goes.

123,000 people I'm sure there isn't many "murderers" in Abbotsford.

[ShepherdsDog]

I don't know man...those Mennonite Brethren vs. the Pentecostal conflicts can get pretty violent...and I hear that MEI is really their version of a madras.