[ridenrain]

I'd rather a thousand people be paid a living wage than 100 who make millions. The differences won't be made up when we clean their pools or do their laundry.

[DerbyX]

bootlegga bootlegga:

I would have thought you'd be happy at this, because now China can 'green' its energy industry and maybe stop polluting the environment so much. Should have figured that nothing they will ever do will be good enough for you.

My guess is that you've been spurned by one too many Chinese women and now take out your anger on the nation as a whole...

THAT'S what I said about him and the Liberals. Some girl turned him down for a dance at a Liberal fund raiser and ever since then he's hated them. Now we know that the girl was a Liberal and of Chinese ancestry. She probably had a muslim friend and they both had a giggle at his expense.

[bootlegga]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Your just dodging the question.

Do you approve of the US having to buy all it's wind and solar power from China?

Wasn't the whole purpose of the stimulus money to buy and develop jobs here?
Wasn't Obama's big campaign to develop "green" jobs here?

I never dodged the question, I said;

$1:

First off, someone has to build it if the Americans themselves can't or won't.

Now the reality is that, like it or not, Bush (and the Republican dominated House and Senate) were not friends of renewable resources, and because they refused to adopt Kyoto or any other green standards, (except for their laughable change to daylight savings time) they are now paying the price. The Americans, usually world leaders in most fields, are behind the eight ball in green technologies.

So someone has to build it. Why not the Chinese? Despite your dumb comment of "All the green you can buy as long as it's made in China", your own article proved that statement to be utter and total BULLSHIT (almost 2/3 of the spending so far went to a Spanish company, not a Chinese one).

But you still can't admit that can you? Talk about a dodger.

You call me panda lover and cheerleader and apologist, but the fact is that you treat China exactly the same way you treat the Liberal Party, with unending scorn and derision. You steadfastly refuse to even acknowledge ANYTHING positive that they do and constantly bitch and moan about the bad things. And that is why you are labelled a China-hater. You may not come out and say stupid shit like Clogeroo "Don't buy poor quality Chinkish crap", but you straddle that racist line like a high-wire trapeze artist with your constant stream of anti-China hatred.

I, on the other hand, can see both the positives and negatives when it comes to both China and the Liberals. I willingly admit the Liberals fucked the dog big time by buying used subs and delaying the MHP intolerably. But I also can see that they balanced our budget and eliminated the deficit, as well as re-invested in the defence after 9/11. Same goes for China. Yes, their human rights record is terrible, but it's a damn sight better than it was 20 years ago. That shift in policy happened because of engagement, which now makes China far more dependent on us than they were prior to the Tiananmen Square massacre. China also uses far more green energy than you might think. Their cities are doted with solar=powered hot water heaters and China is investing heavily in wind power as part of its stimulus package.

Does China have room to improve? Of course they do (massively when it comes to human rights for example), but constantly criticizing them makes you sound like nothing more than a whiny little bitch. When was the last time that a whiner ever impacted on your behaviour? If you're like most people, you tune them out and ignore them, not change to suit them.

[bootlegga]

ridenrain ridenrain:

I'd rather a thousand people be paid a living wage than 100 who make millions. The differences won't be made up when we clean their pools or do their laundry.

Yeah, those engineers working at RIM are one step away from bankruptcy aren't they? Same with the guys working at Bioware in Edmonton and for EA and Microsoft in Vancouver.

Service industry doesn't just mean selling french fries, pumping gas, or working at the Gap. Services also include well-paying professions like lawyers, accountants, realtors, consultants (of all sorts), educators, sales, etc.

IBM for example is one of the new 'service industry' companies, providing consulting services worldwide with tens of thousands of employees, having shifted from selling hardware once (like PCs), to selling services with ongoing service contracts. Other service companies like eBay generating tons of wealth for hundreds of thousands of people across North America, whether they actually work for the company or simply sell goods there. Same goes for iTunes, NetFlix, Amazon, and lots of other Long Tail companies, which allow far more people to produce and sell media than ever before.

[ridenrain]

Even the fawning gits at MSNBC see a problem with this.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0f1_1257270799

[Gunnair]

ridenrain ridenrain:

I'd rather a thousand people be paid a living wage than 100 who make millions. The differences won't be made up when we clean their pools or do their laundry.

Communist are ya?

[Proculation]

bootlegga bootlegga:

ridenrain ridenrain:

I'd rather a thousand people be paid a living wage than 100 who make millions. The differences won't be made up when we clean their pools or do their laundry.

Yeah, those engineers working at RIM are one step away from bankruptcy aren't they? Same with the guys working at Bioware in Edmonton and for EA and Microsoft in Vancouver.

Service industry doesn't just mean selling french fries, pumping gas, or working at the Gap. Services also include well-paying professions like lawyers, accountants, realtors, consultants (of all sorts), educators, sales, etc.

IBM for example is one of the new 'service industry' companies, providing consulting services worldwide with tens of thousands of employees, having shifted from selling hardware once (like PCs), to selling services with ongoing service contracts. Other service companies like eBay generating tons of wealth for hundreds of thousands of people across North America, whether they actually work for the company or simply sell goods there. Same goes for iTunes, NetFlix, Amazon, and lots of other Long Tail companies, which allow far more people to produce and sell media than ever before.

Aaaah I agree with you

The low-paying service jobs are mostly student jobs. If you are 35 yo. and you are still earning 9-10$/hr, maybe you should ask yourself some questions.

[Proculation]

Gunnair Gunnair:

ridenrain ridenrain:

I'd rather a thousand people be paid a living wage than 100 who make millions. The differences won't be made up when we clean their pools or do their laundry.

Communist are ya?

I thought the same thing !

[ridenrain]

We all don't mind as long as we're the lucky ones but the reality is the economy and society is better off with a substantial middle class. Manufacturing has established and maintained a solid middle class. Software and knowlage based industries employ far less people.

The US and Canada makes aircraft, engines, turbines, and all sorts of things so it's in our best national interest that we can make our own wind turbines. That's an investment a leader would make.

[Gunnair]

ridenrain ridenrain:

We all don't mind as long as we're the lucky ones but the reality is the economy and society is better off with a substantial middle class. Manufacturing has established and maintained a solid middle class. Software and knowlage based industries employ far less people.

The US and Canada makes aircraft, engines, turbines, and all sorts of things so it's in our best national interest that we can make our own wind turbines. That's an investment a leader would make.

Are you angry and unemployed?

[ridenrain]

You really bring nothing to these threads, don't you.

[Proculation]

ridenrain ridenrain:

We all don't mind as long as we're the lucky ones but the reality is the economy and society is better off with a substantial middle class. Manufacturing has established and maintained a solid middle class. Software and knowlage based industries employ far less people.

The US and Canada makes aircraft, engines, turbines, and all sorts of things so it's in our best national interest that we can make our own wind turbines. That's an investment a leader would make.

Yeah, no problem with our aeronautics industry: we are very good in it. We are specialized in it. I don't say that we should drop all manufactures. But, if we are not specialized in an industry and China is better at it, we should stay out of that business.

[ridenrain]

Again.. This isn't a consumer product that folks will shop for. This is all funded by government stimulus dollars and if the Obama government has set it's sights on wind energy, it's a prudent move to fund the development of that industry here.

I think it's too late for the solar panel industry but windmills are a hell of a lot less specialized and I see no reason why we can't develop that industry here.



From what I'm reading.. GE is still making 1/2 of the windmills bought in the US and their still made in the US. Why didn't they go with these instead.

[Gunnair]

ridenrain ridenrain:

You really bring nothing to these threads, don't you.

It's mostly a spectator sport with you.

[Proculation]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Again.. This isn't a consumer product that folks will shop for. This is all funded by government stimulus dollars and if the Obama government has set it's sights on wind energy, it's a prudent move to fund the development of that industry here.

I think it's too late for the solar panel industry but windmills are a hell of a lot less specialized and I see no reason why we can't develop that industry here.



From what I'm reading.. GE is still making 1/2 of the windmills bought in the US and their still made in the US. Why didn't they go with these instead.

Good question. I guess there was a call for bids and the Chinese won the contract.