[andyt]

And there are 14 yr old girls that have an ongoing relationship with a young man, they obviously get on. Do you support leniency if this was one of your daughters in such a case? It sounds like you do in the above case.

Is the 25 yr old a woman or a girl - you seem to have it both ways.

No confidentiality with counselors unless they are a medical doctor.

[andyt]

For those who have a double standard, ie see this as no big deal, what if the 25 yr old was also male, ie male on male. Would you still feel that way?

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

And there are 14 yr old girls that have an ongoing relationship with a young man, they obviously get on. Do you support leniency if this was one of your daughters in such a case? It sounds like you do in the above case.

Is the 25 yr old a woman or a girl - you seem to have it both ways.

No confidentiality with counselors unless they are a medical doctor.

Must be my ESL, that you COMPLETELY misunderstood what I was saying

[saturn_656]

The general understanding is that grown men are the "predators" or "aggressors" in such situations and some folks have this "mental block" and cannot look at an adult woman in the same way.

The "minor" must have wanted it something bad, or it wouldn't have happened. A grown woman couldn't have pressured the kid into it... or so the line of thinking goes. Sexist preconceptions on what a woman is or isn't capable of.

[herbie]

The hard-on was from fear. The pumping and thrusting was coerced. When he came it was involuntarily. Every single time. Time after time.
He did not crawl grovelling and begging "Oh please, fuck me please", nor when it was over go back to spending every single private moment beating off to foldouts and Internet porn featuring women who may even be older. Neither did he every crowd around the bathroom door with all his pals peeking thru the keyhole trying to catch a glimpse of his big sister's friend peeing.
This is a normal 14 year old boy who plays soccer, goes to church and knows how filthy and sordid sex is and is thankful for his righteous elders who think "the little bastard, why that never happened to me, somebody's gonna pay.." and can make laws about it. Then goes back to studying a 1,000 2,000 year old book so he can drive the impure thoughts from his head and become a Telebaptist preacher/priest/mullah just like them.
Yeah it's black or white, either or, never ever a shade of grey. A 50 year old guy getting and 11 yr old girl drunk and fucking her passed out is equally as evil as a 19 yr old woman fucking a boy in Alberta at midnight on his 16th birthday - OMG he was born in BC really an hour later... it's a crime!!! Call out the goon squad.

[andyt]

herbie herbie:

The hard-on was from fear. The pumping and thrusting was coerced. When he came it was involuntarily. Every single time. Time after time.

She was wet from fear. Her pelvic thrusts, moans and shivers, were coerced. She didn't come, but then few 14 yr old girls do. But she sought him out, every single time. Time after time. What's a red blooded 25yr old man to do.

[raydan]

This thread is getting weird.

Here's my double standard...
I would probably have loved it if a 25 year old woman had seduced me when I was 14. But if a 25 year old woman tried to seduce my 14 year old son, I'd slap her across the head.

[andyt]

Lots of young girls love it when an older guy seduces them, or more accurately they seduce him, because it shows their sexual power and gives them cred with their mates. But we say that's wrong and call it statutory rape or whatever the term is now. The same standard needs to apply in relation to boys.

[Brenda]

The point is, it does not matter what HE thought or wanted. He was underage, so she was in the wrong, no matter what. The defense lawyer bringing up the "very vulnerable stage of her life" does not make him less underage or her less guilty of seducing a minor.

[andyt]

Brenda Brenda:

The point is, it does not matter what HE thought or wanted. He was underage, so she was in the wrong, no matter what. The defense lawyer bringing up the "very vulnerable stage of her life" does not make him less underage or her less guilty of seducing a minor.

OK. Glad we agree. That's the point of the legislation - kids aren't deemed old enough to decide for themselves, the adult has to be the...adult about it. I'm sure there are people out there of both genders who had a positive sexual experience with an adult when they were young teens. Maybe there should be no charge in that case, but I don't really think we are wise enough as a society to figure that out, so we need a law that prohibits it and applies equally to everyone.

[herbie]

Brenda Brenda:

The point is, it does not matter what HE thought or wanted. He was underage, so she was in the wrong, no matter what. The defense lawyer bringing up the "very vulnerable stage of her life" does not make him less underage or her less guilty of seducing a minor.

Gee, exactly what I said.
THE LAW SAYS so therefore no amount of commonsense need apply. Black or white
It says they aren't responsible for decisions meaning neither were you before they made it up in their Puritan heads.

[gonavy47]

herbie herbie:

gonavy47 gonavy47:

No double standards people. A minor is a minor is a minor.

Yep. The law is the law.
Oink.
History, human psychology and experience be damned.

So just how do you propose to protect vulnerable minors in society? Or do you think it's alright ,psychologically of course, to seduce 8 year olds into sex?

[Brenda]

herbie herbie:

Brenda Brenda:

The point is, it does not matter what HE thought or wanted. He was underage, so she was in the wrong, no matter what. The defense lawyer bringing up the "very vulnerable stage of her life" does not make him less underage or her less guilty of seducing a minor.

Gee, exactly what I said.
THE LAW SAYS so therefore no amount of commonsense need apply. Black or white
It says they aren't responsible for decisions meaning neither were you before they made it up in their Puritan heads.

So you think it is ok for a 25 year old to seduce a 14 year old? Or for a 25 year old to say "sure babe" to the seduction a 14 years brings?
Especially when that 25 year old has a parenting function? Being an authority figure?

*Mind that I am not talking about gender. It can go all ways.

[herbie]

NO!!!
Can even one of you stop and think beyond your immediate reaction? Did I ever say it was OK?
Quote: There shouldn't be a double standard.
THERE IS a double standard regardless of whether there should or shouldn't be.
And a case of 14 yr old boy screwing a 25 yr old woman, when you're not given ANY indication of undue influence or even imagined seduction simply IS NOT the equal of a 50 year old man having sex with a 12 year old girl. It is not.
14 year old guys would literally fuck a hole in the pavement given the opportunity. Gonna send the boy to counselling and convince him he's a victim of something? Gonna lock the woman up, put her on a registry? Put photos on every lamp post when she's out so all the boys know where to find her?
POINT IS: one size does not fit all.

[andyt]

How about a 25 yr old guy having sex with a 14 yr old girl, just to keep things even? Assume no undue influence or seduction. Is that so bad? Why, but not for the reverse?

What kind of 25 yr old woman wants to have sex with 14 yr old boys? That's way more unusual that 25 yr old men wanting to have sex with 14 yr old girls. What's wrong with that woman? What is she teaching this boy about how adult women behave?