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Posts: 53350
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:23 am
Here's a list of things that have been shut down: http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/blog/federal-pr ... -or-had-th$1: Environmental Emergency Response Program Urban Wastewater Program Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences Smokestacks Emissions Monitoring Team Hazardous Materials Information Review Commission National Roundtable on the Environment and the Economy Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency, Winnipeg Office Municipal Water and Wastewater Survey Environmental Protection Operations Compliance Promotion Program Action Plan on Clean Water Polar Environment Atmospheric Research Laboratory (PEARL) (PEARL lost its $1.5 million annual budget when the government stopped funding the Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Science (CFCAS) . In May 2013, the federal government announced the facility would get a $ 1 million a year grant for the next five years. But according to Professor Tom Duck, of Dalhousie University, with the loss of CFCAS, atmospheric and climate research will be funded at less than 70 per cent of the level it was funded at in 2006.) Sustainable Water Management Division Environmental Effects Monitoring Program Federal Contaminated Sites Action Plan Chemicals Management Plan Canadian Centre for Inland Waters Clean Air Agenda Air Quality Health Index Species at Risk Program Weather and Environmental Services Substance and Waste Management Ocean Contaminants & Marine Toxicology Program Experimental Lakes Area (Under the Bill-38 the ELA was shut down. As of January 2014, the International Institute for Sustainable Development and the Ontario government are working out an agreement with the federal government to take over the facility.) DFO Marine Science Libraries Centre for Offshore Oil & Gas Energy Research Kitsilano Coast Guard Station St. Johns Marine Traffic Centre St. Anthony’s Marine Traffic Centre Conservation and Protection Office Conservation and Protection Office (L’anse au Loup, NL) Conservation and Protection Office (Trepassey, NL) Conservation and Protection Office (Rigolet, NL) Conservation and Protection Office (Burgeo, NL) Conservation and Protection Office (Arnold’s Cove, NL) Conservation and Protection Office (Baddeck, NS) Conservation and Protection Office (Canso, NS) Conservation and Protection Office (Sheet Harbour, NS) Conservation and Protection Office (Woodstock, NB) Conservation and Protection Office (Port Hood, NS) Conservation and Protection Office (Wallace, NS) Conservation and Protection Office (Kedgwick, NB) Conservation and Protection Office (Montague, PEI) Conservation and Protection Office (Inuvik, NT) Conservation and Protection Office (Rankin Inlet, NU) Conservation and Protection Office (Clearwater, BC) Conservation and Protection Office (Comox, BC) Conservation and Protection Office (Hazelton, BC) Conservation and Protection Office (Quesnel, BC) Conservation and Protection Office (Pender Harbour, BC) Atlantic Lobster Sustainability Measures Program Species-at-Risk Program Habitat Management Program DFO Institute of Ocean Sciences (Sidney, BC) Freshwater Institute - Winnipeg Oil Spill Counter-Measures Team Maurice-Lamontagne Institute’s French language library Canadian Coast Guard Management Water Pollution Research Lab (Sidney, BC) Water Pollution Research Lab (Winnipeg, MB) Water Pollution Research Lab (Burlington, ON) Water Pollution Research Lab (Mont-Joli, QC) Water Pollution Research Lab (Moncton, NB) Water Pollution Research Lab (Dartmouth, NS) St. Andrew Biological Station Canadian Scientific Submersible Facility Ice Information Partnership Motor Vehicle Fleet Inshore Rescue Boat Program Species at Risk Atlantic Salmon Production Facilities Northwest Atlantic Fisheries Organization At-Sean Observer Programs Financial Management Services Pacific Forestry Centre, Satellite Office (Prince George, BC) Canadian Centre for Remote Sensing Pulp and Paper Green Transformation Program Isotopes Supply Initiative Clean Energy Fund Sustainable Development Technology Canada – Next Generation Biofuels Fund Program of Energy Research and Development Pacific Forestry Centre Astronomy Interpretation Centre – Centre of the Universe MRI research, Institute Biodiagnostics Polar Continental Shelf Progam Canadian Neutron Beam Centre Aquatic Ecotoxicology, Aquatic and Crop Resource Development Molecular Biochemistry Laboratory, Aquatic and Crop Resource Development Plant Metabolism Research, Aquatic and Crop Resource Development Human Health Therapeutics research program Automotive and Surface Transportation program Magnetic Resonance Imaging Research Environmental Risks to Health program Substance Use and Abuse program First Nations and Inuit Primary Health Care program Health Infrastructure Support for First Nations and Inuit program Interim Federal Health Program Prairie Farm Rehabilitation Administration Environmental Knowledge, Technology, Information, and Measurement program Science, Innovation and Adoption program Rural and Co-operatives Development program Farm Debt Mediation Service Centre for Plant Health (Sidney, BC) National Aboriginal Health Organization First Nations Statistical Institute Cultural Connections for Aboriginal Youth First Nations and Inuit Health Fertilizer Pre-Market Efficacy Assessment program Enforcement of Product of Canada label RADARSAT Constellation Mission Whapmagoostui-Kuujjuarapik Research station Kluane Lake Research Station Bamfield Marine Science Centre Microfungal Collection and Herborium Biogeoscience Institute Coriolis II research Vessel OIE Laboratory for Infectious Salmon Anaemia Canadian Phycological Culture Centre Brockhouse Institute Polaris Portable Observatories for Lithospheric Analysis and Research Mount Megantic Observatory Smoke Stacks Emissions Monitoring Team National Roundtable on the Environment and Economy Environmental Protections Operations Compliant Promotion Program, Sustainable Water Management Division, Environmental Effects Monitoring program, Fresh Water Institute Canadian Centre for Inlands Waters (Burlington) World Ozone and Ultraviolet Radiation Data Centre Environmental Emergencies Program Parks Canada Montreal Biosphere Statistics Canada Fields Institute for Research in Mathematical Sciences Laboratory for the Analysis of Natural and Synthetic Environmental Toxicants National Ultrahigh-field NMR Facility for Solids IsoTrace AMS Facility Canadian Phycological Culture Centre Canadian Resource Centre for Zebrafish Genetics Neuroendocrinology Assay Laboratory at the University of Western Ontario Canadian Centre for DNA Barcoding Portable Observatories for Lithospheric Analysis and Research Investigating (POLARIS) (Ontario) Canadian Institute for Theoretical Astrophysics Brockhouse Institute for Materials Research St. John’s Centrifuge Modelling Facility Quebec/Eastern Canada high field NMR facility Félix d’Hérelle Reference Center for Bacterial Viruses Canadian Neutron Beam Laboratory The Compute/Calcul Canada Center for Innovative Geochronology Biogeoscience Institute Pacific Institute for the Mathematical Sciences Pacific Northwest Consortium Synchrotron Radiation Facility Centre for Molecular and Materials Science at TRIUMF Pacific Centre for Isotopic and Geochemical Research Canadian Cosmogenic Nuclide Exposure Dating Facility Atlantic Regional Facilities for Materials Characterization The Canadian SuperDARN/PolarDARN facility
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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:53 am
Nice list Doc but your source is suspect. 
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Posts: 53350
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:59 am
DVC185 DVC185: Nice list Doc but your source is suspect.
Zip up, your bias is showing.
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andyt
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Posts: 33492
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:09 am
Also shut down is a program that protected the grasslands in Manitoba and Saskatchewan, apparently the best pieces of natural prairie left in North America. Control has been given to the provinces which don't have the money, so they just tell the ranchers to maintain it best they can. We know what happens with the "tragedy of the commons" approach.
But look on the bright side, a balanced budget by 2015, maybe some tax cuts and continued governance by the good guys.
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Posts: 2398
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:09 am
While I'm all for the sale of the CBC I'm not sure about Canada Post. I doubt any rural communities are profitable for a mail delivery service. I think that's one service that needs to stay public or else it may become a urban focused service. Then again I rarely see anything in my mailbox that isn't advertisements so I'm not sure it wouldn't be that big a loss for me. However that might not be the case for everyone.
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Posts: 53350
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:00 am
Another article on the subject: $1: The Spectator's view: Eroding Canada’s institutional knowledge next play/pause pre
Is the Harper government making war on public science and research? Related Stories Jan. 31 editorial cartoon
On the surface, this seems a hyperbolic, even ludicrous assertion. But if you look more closely at what is happening in public science across the country, it might not sound quite as ridiculous.
The Canada Centre for Inland Waters, once a crown jewel of Great Lakes research, has been so reduced by staffing and budget cuts, critics say it can't do its job, including adequate monitoring around the Randle Reef project. Estimates are that up to 60 science jobs have been cut in the past decade.
The Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences was killed by the Tories. That cut led to the closure of Canada's most remote weather research station near Eureka, Nunavut, which studied climate quality issues. The National High Field Nuclear Magnetic Resonance Centre in Edmonton is in jeopardy due to a funding freeze. In Ottawa, $10 million in capital equipment is sitting idle at the National Ultrahigh-Field facility at University of Ottawa.
Back in 2008 the Harper government closed the office of the National Science Adviser, intended to provide expert advice to the prime minister. The National Round Table on the Environment and the Economy was closed in 2012, ostensibly because the government didn't like the climate advice. The Experimental Lakes Area near Kenora was closed, although the operations cost of the facility was about $600,000, a third of which was recovered in user-fee revenue.
Stranger still, seven of 11 world-renowned fisheries libraries are being closed, even though a fraction of the books and records stored there has been digitized, and much that hasn't — including 50 volumes from the H.M.S. Challenger exploratory voyages in the 1800s — will end up in landfill sites. http://www.thespec.com/opinion-story/43 ... knowledge/
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Posts: 176
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:05 pm
DrCaleb DrCaleb: DVC185 DVC185: Nice list Doc but your source is suspect.
Zip up, your bias is showing. I, at least, admit my bias. I will grant that you are entitled to your opinion, as wrong as it is, while offering my hairy puckered opinion to counter it. Let's all smile and move on, shall we?
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Posts: 23084
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:07 pm
DrCaleb DrCaleb: saturn_656 saturn_656: These Crown Corps need to operate within their means, they don't need to turn a profit but they should cover their own costs.
If they can't be made to do so, by all means sell them off. The problem with the CBC was it was mandated to bring TV to every part of Canada, regardless of whether the location is profitable. Their mandate makes it impossible to operate within their means. ^ This!
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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:52 pm
bootlegga bootlegga: DrCaleb DrCaleb: saturn_656 saturn_656: These Crown Corps need to operate within their means, they don't need to turn a profit but they should cover their own costs.
If they can't be made to do so, by all means sell them off. The problem with the CBC was it was mandated to bring TV to every part of Canada, regardless of whether the location is profitable. Their mandate makes it impossible to operate within their means. ^ This! Drop the mandate. And BS as to even attempting to be profitable. I've watched many CBC shows where they go over 12 minutes with out a commercial. And drop the PCorrect shows that have no audience like Arctic Air and that other piece of crap North of 60 that they dragged on for over a decade. "gotta keep the FN happy"
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Prof_Chomsky
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Posts: 841
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:02 pm
What a load of BS. Put the CBC into a spot where it's impossible to break even or be profitable, then use that as a reason to get rid of it.
I like having certain necessary services as a Canadian. To me, impartial news that CAN lose money is a necessity. So is postal service. Health care, water, electricity, gas, roads etc.
If we're all of a sudden worried about getting rid of things the government subsidizes in order to help the average Canadian, I guess we'd also better stop farming EVERYTHING.
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Posts: 93
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:42 pm
DrCaleb DrCaleb: The timing of this is suspect to me. (As well as it only being on Sun News) I saw a show on CBC this week that actually made me furious. I knew the Harper was gutting science in favour of Political ideology, but I had no idea how far it was going. For example, there was a Nature of Things episode last year on a project on Baffin Island that was finding the connecting between the Vikings and early (pre Innuit) native traders about 1000 years ago, from the Museum of Natural History. http://www.cbc.ca/natureofthings/episod ... ic-mysteryThe archaeologist responsible was called into a meeting, let go and given 5 minutes to get her valuables before being escorted off the property, because her research no longer fit the vision of the Natural Museum of History. Right after, the Natural Muesum of History announced a new private sector sponsor, the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers (CAPP). Watch the show. See if it makes you angry. $1: Scientists across the country are expressing growing alarm that federal cutbacks to research programs monitoring areas that range from climate change and ocean habitats to public health will deprive Canadians of crucial information.
“What’s important is the scale of the assault on knowledge, and on our ability to know about ourselves and to advance our understanding of our world,” said James Turk, executive director of the Canadian Association of University Teachers.
In the past five years the federal government has dismissed more than 2,000 scientists, and hundreds of programs and world-renowned research facilities have lost their funding. Programs that monitored things such as smoke stack emissions, food inspections, oil spills, water quality and climate change have been drastically cut or shut down.
The fifth estate requested interviews with two senior bureaucrats and four cabinet ministers with responsibility for resources, the environment and science. All of those requests were denied. http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/episodes/2013-2 ... f-the-labsYou need to new topic this, the rednecks of CKA forums are having a hard time following.
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Posts: 65472
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:50 pm
DrCaleb DrCaleb: The problem with the CBC was it was mandated to bring TV to every part of Canada, regardless of whether the location is profitable. Their mandate makes it impossible to operate within their means. Maybe the government could save money by closing the CBC and just making it legal for Canadians to sign up for inexpensive American satellite TV services. 
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Posts: 65472
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:54 pm
DrCaleb DrCaleb: The timing of this is suspect to me. (As well as it only being on Sun News) I saw a show on CBC this week that actually made me furious. I knew the Harper was gutting science in favour of Political ideology, but I had no idea how far it was going. For example, there was a Nature of Things episode last year on a project on Baffin Island that was finding the connecting between the Vikings and early (pre Innuit) native traders about 1000 years ago, from the Museum of Natural History. http://www.cbc.ca/natureofthings/episod ... ic-mysteryThe archaeologist responsible was called into a meeting, let go and given 5 minutes to get her valuables before being escorted off the property, because her research no longer fit the vision of the Natural Museum of History. Right after, the Natural Muesum of History announced a new private sector sponsor, the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers (CAPP). Watch the show. See if it makes you angry. $1: Scientists across the country are expressing growing alarm that federal cutbacks to research programs monitoring areas that range from climate change and ocean habitats to public health will deprive Canadians of crucial information.
“What’s important is the scale of the assault on knowledge, and on our ability to know about ourselves and to advance our understanding of our world,” said James Turk, executive director of the Canadian Association of University Teachers.
In the past five years the federal government has dismissed more than 2,000 scientists, and hundreds of programs and world-renowned research facilities have lost their funding. Programs that monitored things such as smoke stack emissions, food inspections, oil spills, water quality and climate change have been drastically cut or shut down.
The fifth estate requested interviews with two senior bureaucrats and four cabinet ministers with responsibility for resources, the environment and science. All of those requests were denied. http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/episodes/2013-2 ... f-the-labsMore on the Pat Sutherland clusterf*ck: http://myronpaine.blogspot.com/2013/07/ ... rland.html
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JaredMilne 
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Posts: 1465
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:21 pm
Alright, let me refer you all to a thread I started a little over a year ago, wherein I point out all the holes in the claims that the CBC is as left-wing as its critics say. What kind of self-respecting leftist hotbed would have the likes of Kevin O'Leary, Kate McMillan, Tom Flanagan, Rex Murphy and Don Cherry on the public payroll, receiving airtime and salaries paid for by our taxes? I'm not complaining about this-in fact, I'm quite pleased to see a variety of voices on the network and I certainly wouldn't be complaining if Ezra Levant were to become a regular commentator, or what have you. Besides which, despite all the cutbacks the CBC is still doing some pretty important journalism, not the least of which is what DrCaleb cited. The Harper government has been claiming that its spending cuts will be done through attrition, rather than affecting frontline services. The CBC is providing an important check to that by showing the sheer number of things it's cut, including services that directly impact the safety and livelihoods of ranchers, boaters and veterans. You'd think this is something that we as Canadians ought to know about. And finally, would the CBC ever do something as insanely crass and stupid as this???...Didn't think so. BartSimpson BartSimpson: See, now even Bart is criticizing this. That's how bad these cuts are.
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