[Brenda]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

I think the problem with those who are complaining is that they don't really even accept the priciniple that those suffering from insanity or severe mental deficiency should ever be found not criminally responsible or unfit for trial.

And rightfully so. But that doesn't mean you can blame Sandorski or this psychiatrist for that.

There could be a couple of ways the justice system could handle this. They could put a person who is deemed unfit for trial or not criminally responsible for the crime they committed in a mental hospital to receive treatment until they are better (which might mean for life), and then start the criminal trial. So, when this psychiatrist says he is fine now, he could stand trial and pay for the crimes he committed.

Or they could just look at the crime committed, sentence accordingly, AND add therapy when they done their prison time.

This man should not be walking the streets without paying for what he did. Free therapy is NOT paying for what he did.

[sandorski]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Just keep in mind that sandorski has made it very clear that he thinks the robocall controversy is a more serious issue than the killing of children.

Incorrect. I called any attempt to thwart the outcome of an Election through subterfuge as more serious than the Murder of Children.

Why do you hold on to this Appeal to Emotion? It's a silly argument.

[ShepherdsDog]

You're right. I should leave it to you to condemn yourself with your own words. You seem to do a much better job.

[BeaverFever]

Brenda Brenda:

There could be a couple of ways the justice system could handle this. They could put a person who is deemed unfit for trial or not criminally responsible for the crime they committed in a mental hospital to receive treatment until they are better (which might mean for life), and then start the criminal trial. So, when this psychiatrist says he is fine now, he could stand trial and pay for the crimes he committed.

Or they could just look at the crime committed, sentence accordingly, AND add therapy when they done their prison time.

This man should not be walking the streets without paying for what he did. Free therapy is NOT paying for what he did.

Well, that's something that should apply if someone went insane AFTER they committed a crime, but most often its someone who was insane BEFORE and comitted the crime as result. If its found that the crime was something you did while you were insane, then you had no control to stop it.

[Brenda]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Brenda Brenda:

There could be a couple of ways the justice system could handle this. They could put a person who is deemed unfit for trial or not criminally responsible for the crime they committed in a mental hospital to receive treatment until they are better (which might mean for life), and then start the criminal trial. So, when this psychiatrist says he is fine now, he could stand trial and pay for the crimes he committed.

Or they could just look at the crime committed, sentence accordingly, AND add therapy when they done their prison time.

This man should not be walking the streets without paying for what he did. Free therapy is NOT paying for what he did.

Well, that's something that should apply if someone went insane AFTER they committed a crime, but most often its someone who was insane BEFORE and comitted the crime as result. If its found that the crime was something you did while you were insane, then you had no control to stop it.

That STILL does not mean that you should be punished for the end result.

Are you ok with this man walking on the streets again, after 2 years of therapy, while he murdered 2 kids? Those kids are DEAD. FOREVER.
Whether he knew what he was doing or not, he should be punished for that. NOW he knows what he did, and might understand the reasoning, he should spend time in jail.
I have no problem with therapy, I have a problem with ONLY therapy.

Especially since, imho, EVERY murderer has a mental issue. A normal person does not commit murder, so, with that logic and yours, I should be happy with murderers only getting therapy, because "they are not in their right mind"? Ah no. Not happening.

[Brenda]

Anyway, if this man will walk the streets again after only therapy, at least no one can bitch anymore that Post Partum Depressed women who killed their newborns, or leave them in Walmart bathrooms don't get jail time.

[andyt]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

I think the problem with those who are complaining is that they don't really even accept the priciniple that those suffering from insanity or severe mental deficiency should ever be found not criminally responsible or unfit for trial.

I accept that. I don't accept that they can be insane to the point of killing and Heallluuuud, the next year. I think anybody that kills and is found not criminally responsible (thanks, Gunnair) should be given a life sentence - meaning they are on parole for the rest of their life, and spend a minimum of say 5 years in a forensic institute for treatment. I think this guy snuck one past the legals system, and if he was Joe Mullet from trailerville he'd be sitting and rotting in the prison system.

If you agree this guy should get out after one year, then you should also agree that a guy strung out on PCP or meth was also crazy at the time and as soon as he comes down is heallluuuud as well.

Anyway, next up the mom who drowned her two kids in Edmonton - she's pled not guilty, not sure if that allows her to claim not criminally responsible as well.

[andyt]

Brenda Brenda:

Anyway, if this man will walk the streets again after only therapy, at least no one can bitch anymore that Post Partum Depressed women who killed their newborns, or leave them in Walmart bathrooms don't get jail time.

I can.

[andyt]

Brenda Brenda:

Especially since, imho, EVERY murderer has a mental issue. A normal person does not commit murder, so, with that logic and yours, I should be happy with murderers only getting therapy, because "they are not in their right mind"? Ah no. Not happening.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

All I gotta say is, if divorce is a valid excuse for "temporary insanity" and stabbing your children 46 times, then we are in for a shit-load of trouble in the near future.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

Brenda Brenda:

Anyway, if this man will walk the streets again after only therapy, at least no one can bitch anymore that Post Partum Depressed women who killed their newborns, or leave them in Walmart bathrooms don't get jail time.

I can.

Yeah, but ya can't bring up anymore that men would never get let off that easily

[Brenda]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

All I gotta say is, if divorce is a valid excuse for "temporary insanity" and stabbing your children 46 times, then we are in for a shit-load of trouble in the near future.

Yep.
If divorce is a valid reason, ANY kind of stress would be a valid reason to just randomly start killing innocent people.

[andyt]

Brenda Brenda:

andyt andyt:

Brenda Brenda:

Anyway, if this man will walk the streets again after only therapy, at least no one can bitch anymore that Post Partum Depressed women who killed their newborns, or leave them in Walmart bathrooms don't get jail time.

I can.

Yeah, but ya can't bring up anymore that men would never get let off that easily

I didn't get off because he's a man, he got off because we have a stupid justice system with regard to mental illness. There are people far crazier than this guy locked up in prison for life.

[andyt]

Brenda Brenda:

I'm confuzzled. Sandorski, Gunny and I all 3 say the same thing, yet Sandorski is getting beat up over it. No fair.

You don't know how CKA works yet? It's a clique thing.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

Brenda Brenda:

Yeah, but ya can't bring up anymore that men would never get let off that easily

I didn't get off because he's a man, he got off because we have a stupid justice system with regard to mental illness.

That same statement would go for infanticide. They don't get off because they are women with PPD, but because we have a stupid justice system.